Sunday, June 2, 2013

Reply to Iter Veritas

Now I've been on CNN debating and talking with some over the Tea Party. One of the individuals I was speaking to wrote a reply to me and yet again CNN moderated my post and refused to allow it to go up. 

This is really starting to piss me off big time I can tell you that. But since they won't allow it up I am going to post it here so hopefully Iter can see it. I take it back, now the "Check my blog" posts are back up. Still didn't allow my reply below though.
Here's the text of the reply deemed unacceptable by CNN.

Okay I'll try to get through all these starting with the race issue. For the legal vs illegal one I have problems with 11-13 million illegals being in this country. I have problems with the legal ones who will not assimilate into this country as previous immigrants have done. A good example of this is last year in California where an American flag was not allowed to be displayed in the halls but a full size Mexican one was. A Mexican flag was also flown with the US and Calif. flags outside. But if that wasn't enough they cornered American students who wore flags on their shirts and threatened them with suspension if they didn't remove or turn them inside out. They also refused the white students the right to put up a full size American flag across the halls as the Mexicans did.

The reason, it was feared that the American flag would offend the Mexican students and lead to fights between Americans and Mexicans. (Mexicans would attack the whites)

It was one of those "EXCUSE ME!" things. There is something seriously wrong with that picture. And that is but one example.

The legal ones often write relatives telling them to come on up. Heck the US even has brochures in Mexico telling people all about welfare and food stamps if they can only get up here to get them.

I was around when the first supermarkets in California went completely bilingual. I believe it was Vons if memory serves me.

I was also around when they told teachers in Orange county to either learn Spanish or you're fired. A couple of distant relatives had taught forever in the schools there and since they were past 65 they told them to stick it and quit.

I was also around when San Diego school district got rid of teaching English in K-3rd grades for every child. 4th and 5th grade would be the first time any child was instructed on a bilingual basis in English and Spanish.

It wasn't until the 6th grade the children would actually be taught solely in English for the first time.

These are things that indicate the issues I have with legal and illegals in this country and its only a few small examples.

The racist label is one of the first cards played by libs over just about anything that involves race. The appellation goes flying if you say one word contrary to the liberal doctrine. It's just part of the course of being on a message board frankly. I've been dealing with it so long it's just one of those things that is a game I don't even play anymore.

As to being racist, I am and I've admitted that before but at least I try and fight that racism within myself. Its hard though when you've lived and seen so much that you have become cynical about certain groups. I don't always win that fight but I also don't get on message boards calling them apes either.

That's also why the "Frank and open discussion about race and race relations in this country" the libs go on about will never take place because anytime someone says anything contrary to the liberal mind set they get branded racist. Most politicians are so afraid of that label they won't say a thing.

The thing is that kind of conversation needs to go on in order to understand why the racism exists and hopefully do something about it.

Case in point, the other day there was a one sentence summation that said something like "Fight breaks out at kindergarten graduation." Well I said to someone here before I even clicked on the article that I bet I can tell you who was involved. I clicked on it and guess what pictures were shown and guess who was involved. Over and over and over again you see this and yeah it adds up over the years.

Like I said I try and fight it, sometimes more successfully than others but at least I can admit it but I'm not saying I'm proud of it.

As to issues it frankly can be anything that involves a non-white when speaking about it. Literally anything no matter how right it is you'll get labeled.

It goes the same way with the conservative RR crowd as well. I just wrote a post about something and so far I've been called a liberal, told the education of children is none of my business and almost outright called a pedophile or someone supporting them and accused of inviting children into my home to discuss sex with them and leaving open the suggestion of maybe something more. BTW after I wrote this someone did call me a "Perv" to add on to it.

Both sides will jump you just as fast but since I usually post conservative positions I get to deal with the liberals the most.

The science thing to me is simple as is the religious thing. I don't have a problem celebrating Christmas and Easter etc. at schools but as to teaching creationism, that I feel is something that should remain for home and Sunday school. When teaching science you teach science. I don't know how they do it today but they would say if something was a theory or not when I was a kid. That is what makes up a great deal of the sciences.

Now some sciences which are very much in debate should be presented honestly and accurately instead of indoctrinating children to the liberal beliefs about it.

Specifically speaking of global warming. Personally I don't think it should be taught at all since its been so discredited but to be fair if it is to be presented then present it as a theory which is controversial and has divided the scientific community with some supporting the theory and others not. That makes it a fair and balanced teaching of the subject to the children.

As to the public education system, I have a huge amount of problems with them and have had for many, many years. It is long long discussion by itself. But to sum it up I know that there has been a liberal agenda to indoctrinate children in the public school system dating back to the 60s. I've been a victim of it as have my children. Call it secular humanism or whatever you like but it is and has been there for a very long time now.

Teachers are even taught to undermine anything the parents might be teaching them at home amongst other things. They're taught to use code words to describe what they're doing but make no mistake they are doing it and have been for a very long time.

As to economic issues first of all the tax cut stuff has gotten ridiculous on the Republican's part. I mean lets face it they look like complete idiots cutting taxes to such an extent and insisting on more. Although since Obama raised them up again they do need to come back down to the levels which spurred such great economic growth.

The main problem I see is that half of this country pays nothing and often gets a lot back at tax time. This is simply not sustainable. It also won't make either party happy but more people need to be paying taxes.

I think the spending needs to be reigned in especially with the huge deficit we have. I can remember when the liberals trashed President Reagan for I believe it was called "Deficit Spending." well this situation is definitely way way past what he was doing. Something must be done get it down and get it down in a major way.

The libs come up with a lot of feel good, sound good, look good ideas that turn out to be total disasters and I usually have a problem with them.

I also well understand the right side and pork as well as the left.

Money for our military should be a priority and its not anymore. Then again look at what was disclosed this last week about China hacking into and getting all of our top secret advance weapons systems, planes and other stuff. You have to wonder if the cuts have anything to do with that.

I think a lot of the spending that goes on needs to be cut and that is especially true of those agencies with the twenty thousand dollar toilets and other complete crap like that. It means reforming the contract awarding process and how the government does business in its entirety.

I mean how do you spend something like 20 grand a week on volunteers giving White House Tours? There should be virtually no cost to this.

A lot of red tape needs to go which means instead of the Obama and libs policy of increasing red tape it needs to go in the opposite direction.

Did you read about the ambulance in DC that shut down to do some liberal EPA crap about environmentalism being forced on fire engines and rescue squads? They did finally after a million complaints issue a waiver for emergency services but DC didn't even know that it existed. A man in traumatic full arrest lost any chance of survival because of the breakdown.

I think all the social spending needs to be completely overhauled and frankly in a way that will pi$$ off both parties but it needs to do what its designed to do and then end. But it doesn't work because they don't provide enough for anyone to actually succeed and escape from that poverty.

But also there has to be an end firmly established. My beliefs are another story in itself on this subject. There are a lot of ideas I believe in that I think would do the country a great good and also in the long run knock down the spending levels.

Taxing everyone up the wazoo that actually makes it is not the way to go either.

Bottom line is neither party would probably like what I have to say on things.

My problem isn't the insurance but the doctor's refusal to take it.

As to a candidate, nothing and nobody have really impressed me much at all. I voted for Newt in the Presidential elections and detested Romney. He wasn't a true conservative and that smile I often wondered whether it was held in place by clear tape or something it was so fake. Santorum was way to the right but I suppose I could support him knowing the courts would reign in any of the bedroom stuff the RR likes to get into. Paul had a lot of going for him but his views on the military turned me completely off. Cain, I liked a lot as to his personality  but had a lot of questions on his policies.

No I guess I'd say the true conservative ideals of old as I learned them are what I'd harken back to if I could. That's basically government doesn't have a place running your life and it needs to get out. State's rights, our Constitutional rights and not having a government attempting to take them away or infringe upon them.

More in that vein I guess.

To tell you the truth I haven't been impressed by anyone really since Reagan although a few have come close.

And no I didn't care for Bush much at all. He was way beyond a liberal in many ways.

One other thing is in this format I can expand on certain things I've talked about here if you want any further on them.

2 comments:

  1. Crap. All my comment lost because I click on publish without being signed in...

    Well at least I have half. The first half was pretty much agreement and questions about the particular situations, since I couldn't find examples of most of the situations you described.

    Also the idea that illegal immigrants pay lots of taxes, like sales and property taxes, and are excluded from Medicare, medicaid, and social security. But anyway:

    Science is all theory, since it is based on the idea that what we know can be expanded. It is the primary reason for the clash with orthodox religion, since their faith relies on nothing changing. Since both extreme sides refuse to see the value in the other, we get these log jams that spill over to everyone just trying to enjoy a Christmas or chemistry class.

    Which scientific principles do you think have a liberal spin? I know you mentioned global warming, but I've done quite a bit of research and the scientific community is hardly divided. About 8% of reports deny human involvement, while over 20% support severe involvement and the rest show at least some effect since the industrial revolution. I especially like arguments that present both sides however, but at some point the debate becomes that between those who have done the research and those who haven't. For the longest time, the scientific community was actually divided on whether brain size indicated intelligence, a primary support for sexism. When this was disproved, many held out and some still do so today.

    Just because an argument is opposite does not mean it is equal, or deserves equal standing.

    What is the Liberal agenda in school? I hear this term tossed around all the time but I wonder what is meant by it?

    No one in this country pays no taxes. Several pay no federal tax, because they receive no federal benefit. Everyone pays state tax, sales tax, income tax, social security tax, etc etc. This is a pithy pitch I hear often, but to base policy on it is to ask for criticism and outright dismissal, even of good ideas. Watch out for that.

    The largest reason we have a tax problem now is that the poor are getting poorer, and the rich are getting richer. Many taxes are income based: only a certain amount can be taxed (like social security). As less people make that limit, the income goes down, and with a max cap there is no recap on the higher end. This means people pass laws taking more money from the rich in unrelated fields, which is disingenuous at best. The reason the rich pay so much of the taxes now is that they control almost all of the money flow. This was not predicted, and as such has thrown every tax system into disarray. A smart rich man also knows how to avoid taxes, further digging our hole deeper.

    The pattern is obvious: congress passes a new law asking for 10%, individual or organization neuters it to 1%, congress passes 9 more to compensate. Everyone else gets caught in the middle.

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  2. Our military budget is still huge, more than the next 12 countries combined. I hardly think that counts as low priority. Many people question why we are paying so much into weapons while the country rots in poverty. Most people pay taxes in the belief that it comes back to them, and many instead see it go to corporations and the military research facilities. The grunts don't get that money, that's for sure. People are just upset at the massive imbalance. Yes, the military costs a lot to keep up, and we should. But we should also understand that we need something worth protecting, or people will riot.

    I am in total agreement of cutting red tape. I think most people are. The problem is those in power eat red tape. The majority of their power, influence, and bankroll comes from this tape, one way or another. Liberals use it to appease their supporters, conservatives fight it to appease their supporters, and moderates make it have some say in the process. Without it, extreme liberals will be powerless again, and without something to fight those fake conservatives will need to be smart again, which I doubt will happen.

    Personally, I think the only solution is an almost total overhaul of the current system. Some people can do it, and history shows that as a nation we are the best at this. It has made America the most powerful nation on Earth and the most respected power in history.

    The problem is we've forgotten that in order to that, these people had to grab an almost totalitarian amount of influence and power. Lincoln was a great president, but a complete controller. He broke more laws than he ever signed, and yet is remembered for saving the nation. Someone who is seen as an enemy of democracy then is seen as the savior of the nation today. History is weird.

    I really miss voices like yours on the national platform. The true American democracy has always floated between liberal ideas of governmental protection and conservative ideas of individual freedom. That discussion, that mix creates greatness, and it is only accomplished by neither side breaking from the other. This has happened, and until that rift is repaired nothing will be accomplished.

    Lastly, I believe people like you and me can be the tools to fix this nation. Even if we just provide a voice for the hundreds of millions of disenfranchised voters who tire of the overly PC nature of neo liberalism and the overly reactionary nature of neo conservatism we stand to make great contributions. CNN forums are a bog of racists, trolls, ignorant loudmouths and thousands of decent people looking for answers. If we can provide even a little of that, I think we can steer the nation back to it's ideals and principles.

    You and I don't have to agree on the issues or the interpretation. We do however have to agree on the sources of information and fact. Once people stray from that there is no longer a point.

    Anyway, those are my thoughts on your post. Again, thanks for engaging me in this discussion. It is much more enjoyable than the constant abuse of the forums. :-)

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